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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Nov 12, 2009 23:19:27 GMT 2
As I have mentioned before, I'm trying to implement a credit system, similar to D5-s Reward Points. Here's the thing, I'm not entirely sure how we should earn them and how we spend them. So that's why I'm letting THE COMMUNITY be the part of the league and suggest what should we include. Here are some examples that I've thought of: Earning- PRA Challenge(Points will be divided by 10, after the end of the month you can use the points you got that month(you can use them later as well), the best PRA Challenger for each month will earn 50 extra points)(For example, you get 450 points in month, so you get 45 credit points)
- Helping out for the league(random points)
- Participating in competitions
- ??
- ??
- ??
Spending:- Getting player back from the injury by certain time
- Players primacy to 99
- Get player to the All-Star Game, 3-point shootout, Dunk Contest etc.
- Avoiding the Salary Cap rule
So here's where I'm hoping your input to the league, don't be shy suggest away. The credit system will start as soon as we have enough ways to earn/spend.
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Nov 13, 2009 10:06:12 GMT 2
I think we shouldnt do anything to the primacy. That's not really fair. Imagine Kwame brown getting 30points 20rebs 7blocks. that would be very very weird.
I think the redeemable recovery time from injury & cap rule (not too much) would be cool
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Nov 13, 2009 14:31:13 GMT 2
I think we shouldnt do anything to the primacy. That's not really fair. Imagine Kwame brown getting 30points 20rebs 7blocks. that would be very very weird. I think the redeemable recovery time from injury & cap rule (not too much) would be cool I assume that nobody will use the primacy thing on someone Kwame Brown caliber. Teams usually uses it on the best offensive player, so that he would get as much shots as possible to benefit for the team. If the GM chooses to use it on someone like Kwame Brown, he will get a lot of shots, but he probably won't hit many of them as he has butterfingers. The primacy only affects how many touches player gets on the offence to make it clear. Also, if you have any thoughts how we could earn/spend credits, suggest away. If most of you won't like the primacy rule, then of course it won't be included.
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Nov 13, 2009 17:19:35 GMT 2
Oh btw, i think all-star appearances should be based on how well the player does during games. Hopefully the sim engine you're using chooses the best players of each conference to qualify them as an all-star. Apart from that, credits used for dunk contest & 3 point shoot out would be great.
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Jan 2, 2010 1:41:51 GMT 2
I'm bumping this up, as it would be great if we could start using it by the end of January. Any ideas to where and what use the credit points and how to earn them would be great.
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Post by Utah Jazz on Jan 11, 2010 20:59:03 GMT 2
I really dont think that we should do anything with the free agency thing like they are doing. You can buy free agents with reward points, or something like that. I am really considering leaving the league. Bc I dont understand it and dont like it. So I would hate the same thing to happen here. No knock on Boston if he is in this league.
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Jan 11, 2010 22:19:58 GMT 2
Understood. I currently have a different plan for Free Agency (so no Credits Points included), but I'm not entirely sure yet how the upcoming FA will go. PS. Boston is Miami
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Jan 12, 2010 9:11:01 GMT 2
I definitely wouldn't want points to have anything to do with Free Agency at all!
Primacy and things would be good, and especially shortening injuries
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Post by blue on Jan 12, 2010 16:30:56 GMT 2
D5's Free Agency was a total disaster because of those points..... Two members quit because of them.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Jan 12, 2010 16:35:59 GMT 2
Agreed, D5'S FA was a disaster.
The RP points and having the highest bidder system is basically the same and that's what the RP is.
Except one's with money and the other's with points.
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Post by Los Angeles Clippers on Jan 12, 2010 16:42:50 GMT 2
And both of us are in this league, just fyi (Boston and myself.)
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Post by Ex - Miami Heat on Jan 12, 2010 16:56:43 GMT 2
D5's RP system should've been tested a lot more before it was put into practice. It works as a system, but only if it doesn't put too much emphasis on itself. If the Player Agent has exhausted all other options, then reward points make a good system by which a Player Agent can make a decision, rather than leaving it to their own opinion. 2 GMs left D5 after the RP system, but they didn't quit, if you examine their departures. The first GM left because I fired him, and not because we disagreed about the RP system, but because even after we agreed about the RP system he kept trying to get other GMs to mutiny on me and was holding up free agency for everyone else. The other GM who quit was due to GSW trying to get him to leave. D5 is better off without those guys and I resent the implication!
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Jan 12, 2010 17:09:42 GMT 2
Oops
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Post by Los Angeles Clippers on Jan 12, 2010 20:40:51 GMT 2
D5's RP system should've been tested a lot more before it was put into practice. It works as a system, but only if it doesn't put too much emphasis on itself. If the Player Agent has exhausted all other options, then reward points make a good system by which a Player Agent can make a decision, rather than leaving it to their own opinion. 2 GMs left D5 after the RP system, but they didn't quit, if you examine their departures. The first GM left because I fired him, and not because we disagreed about the RP system, but because even after we agreed about the RP system he kept trying to get other GMs to mutiny on me and was holding up free agency for everyone else. The other GM who quit was due to GSW trying to get him to leave. D5 is better off without those guys and I resent the implication! Not to try to bring up old stuff but that simply isn't true. GSW (BOS in this league) quit because he didn't like the reward system, and then you decide to "fire him" when he had already (which was a chick shit move on your part.) I agreed with GSW, and he did ask me to walk away with him, but I felt like you were trying to make the league better. I was starting to get to know people (as when first came in I felt like a total outsider) and had a good young team, I was going to take the "Andrew Johnson" approach. Then for whatever reason you decide to give Arenas to Washington for no O REWARD POINTS!!!!!!! That was it for me, I would have bid something on him. Ask anyone, I was really sad to do that but I felt like I had to. Anyways point is the reward system is highly flawed is the main point. PS. In case some of you don't know Andrew Johnson stayed with the Union during the Civil War, even though his home state of Tennessee left in secession with the Union...that's how I felt.
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Post by Ex - Miami Heat on Jan 12, 2010 21:21:16 GMT 2
I disagree with that, but meh. CBA arguing.
When I think of the American military, I only think about propaganda, indoctrination and neocolonialism, so it's painful you used a Civil War analogy, lol, (edit: altho my grievances with the US are based on more recent military actions). Something to think about atleast.
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Post by Los Angeles Clippers on Jan 12, 2010 22:35:41 GMT 2
Oh my lord, okay I'm glad I quit D5 now. Not sure if you said that just to try to piss me off or what but that is not the response I expected. I said nothing about politics, yet you turn this into a "Hate the US" bullshit post. I don't even know what you are talking about, but it's the most trivial little thing. I'd love to see your source, I really don't believe it. Also I'd love for you to say something about we dropped a Nuke Japan...I dare you to say that!
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Post by Ex - Miami Heat on Jan 12, 2010 22:57:53 GMT 2
I'm just going through a phase of discovering about post WWII politics and war etc. The US comes out looking surprisingly awful, lol. I couldn't help but jump on your war reference, especially since US citizens strike me as mindlessly supportive of invasions around the world (I know my American cousins are anyway). I know it has nothing to do with the topic in hand, but like I said, I've been reading up as much as I can since I found out George Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush, was a lead figure in a failed military coup which planned to assassinate Roosevelt, install General Smedley Butler as a fascist dictator and ally with Hitler, prior to WWII. There's a ton of sh!t that never gets reported is all. It's worth a read I recommend Noam Chomsky. edit: Back on track. What do you think, Minnesota? At D5 we kinda settled on only using Reward Points after Player Agents had exhausted all other means, nobody seemed to have a problem with that.
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Post by Los Angeles Clippers on Jan 12, 2010 23:09:06 GMT 2
I'm just going through a phase of discovering about post WWII politics and war etc. The US comes out looking surprisingly awful, lol. I couldn't help but jump on your war reference, especially since US citizens strike me as mindlessly supportive of invasions around the world (I know my American cousins are anyway). I know it has nothing to do with the topic in hand, but like I said, I've been reading up as much as I can since I found out George Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush, was a lead figure in a failed military coup which planned to assassinate Roosevelt, install General Smedley Butler as a fascist dictator and ally with Hitler, prior to WWII. There's a ton of sh!t that never gets reported is all. It's worth a read I recommend Noam Chomsky. edit: Back on track. What do you think, Minnesota? At D5 we kinda settled on only using Reward Points after Player Agents had exhausted all other means, nobody seemed to have a problem with that. Everyone has their view point, just depends on what you read. If you have a little common sense you can realize people have an agenda. I don't support mindless invasion, but I sure as hell support wars to keep the United States safe and free...whether it's The Revolutionary War, The Civil War, WII, The Cold War, or the War or Terror.
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Jan 12, 2010 23:48:47 GMT 2
I actually didn't plan to include the credit points for the upcoming free agency. What I thought was that we would do the free agency in 2 steps. First there will be bidding on the top (10?) free agents, like LeBron, Wade, Bosh etc. Everybody would put up their offers and explanation, why his team would be the best suit etc. Then after all the offers have been made, the entire Committe would see the offers, maybe discuss, who should go where and after that vote for the team, where the player should go (no voting for own teams). Then after the upper FA has been passed, there will be a regular free agency, where players would be divided into groups, each committe member has one group and will decide by themselves, where each would go (something similar what was in 09' offseason)
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Post by New York Knicks on Jan 12, 2010 23:57:56 GMT 2
that sounds good...do you know when the rules of the offseason will be coming up?
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Post by Boston Celtics on Jan 13, 2010 0:26:35 GMT 2
D5's RP system should've been tested a lot more before it was put into practice. It works as a system, but only if it doesn't put too much emphasis on itself. If the Player Agent has exhausted all other options, then reward points make a good system by which a Player Agent can make a decision, rather than leaving it to their own opinion. 2 GMs left D5 after the RP system, but they didn't quit, if you examine their departures. The first GM left because I fired him, and not because we disagreed about the RP system, but because even after we agreed about the RP system he kept trying to get other GMs to mutiny on me and was holding up free agency for everyone else. The other GM who quit was due to GSW trying to get him to leave. D5 is better off without those guys and I resent the implication! Too much wrong with this as far as me trying to get a mutiny! Man you have a big ego eh? I never asked that GM to leave for me. I told him that the system was messed up, and you had no reason to ban me from the league, and that IMO he SHOULD leave, since the league seemed poor to me at that point...but I never ever asked him to leave for me or begged him to leave. Get your facts straight please. We did eventually agree that RP system was messed up (my opinion the whole time). The problem was, you still wanted to use it for that offseason. You knew it was messed up, and still wanted to use it. Problems I had: 1 - RP system was messed up, and you ended up agreeing with that. 2 - We were never even allowed to re-sign our players that were becoming FA's...that was ridiculous IMO. 3 - Even after you agreed RP system was a mess, you were planning on continuing with it from what I could tell. I don't understand people understanding something is wrong and still doing it. ?? 4 - You never really explained HOW RP's were going to be used in FA. It was simply stated - "RP's will play a part in free agency this season." They were an incredibly huge part of it to start, and that was a problem also.
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Post by Los Angeles Clippers on Jan 13, 2010 1:26:16 GMT 2
I agree with everything Boston said for the record.
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Post by Ex - Miami Heat on Jan 13, 2010 9:03:13 GMT 2
I never asked that GM to leave for me... I told him ... that IMO he SHOULD leave. Get your facts straight please. LOL ;D Paraphrased for hilarity. The rest of your post just turned into white noise as far as I'm concerned. You were the worst Player Agent in the history of D5
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Jan 13, 2010 10:57:48 GMT 2
Alright I think we're all disappointed about the reward point system but let's try to keep it a The League 2010 discussion shall we? Nothing about D6 since it only bring up old wounds.
Please?
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Post by Ex - Miami Heat on Jan 13, 2010 11:07:48 GMT 2
No problem, sorry for diverting the topic.
I like Minnesota's idea. It's clearly the major players in Free Agency who deserve the most consideration, so they should indeed get their own inital phase, kinda like how the rookie draft progresses from high to low talent.
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