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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Feb 9, 2010 0:11:41 GMT 2
February 9th[/color]
Chicago Bulls
Derrick Rose (82) Ben Gordon (81) Luol Deng (79) Kirk Hinrich (79) David Lee (79) Brad Miller (76) Jason Maxiell (75) Ty Lawson (71) Tim Thomas (70) Eric Maynor (65) Linton Johnson (63) Anthony Roberson (63) Jon Brockman (61) Jerome James (58)
Cleveland Cavaliers
Lebron James (98) Mo Williams (78) Shaquille O'Neal (82) Zydrunas Ilgauskas (78) Delonte West (79) Anderson Varejao (73) Daniel Gibson (71) JJ Hickson (67) Darnell Jackson (60) Darren Collison (67) Sergio Llull (62)
Dallas Mavericks
Tayshaun Prince (81) Emeka Okafor (80) Raymond Felton (79) Rodney Stuckey (79) Antonio McDyess (77) Erick Dampier (72) Raja Bell (74) Wally Sczerbiak (74) Pops Mensah-Bonsu (66) Craig Smith (66) Darius Songaila (67) Bobby Brown (60) DeAndre Jordan (66) Jodie Meeks (63)
Denver Nuggets
Carmelo Anthony (89) Tony Parker (86) Nene (80) Kenyon Martin (79) JR Smith (77) Mario Chalmers (75) CJ Watson (71) Cartier Martin (70) Rasho Nesterovic (69) Sean Williams (69) Eddy Curry (68) Yi Jianlian (68) Sonny Weems (65) Patrick Beverly (63) Ryan Hollins (62)
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Post by New York Knicks on Feb 9, 2010 0:38:22 GMT 2
i think maybe d-rose should be at 86 and david lee should be at 83
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Post by Boston Celtics on Feb 9, 2010 4:15:41 GMT 2
February 9th[/color]
Chicago Bulls
David Lee (79) - His offensive game is truly elite at this point. His D isn't great, but if it was, he would literally be a 90, his offense is that good. So I agree, he should be about 85. Brad Miller (76) - Dude is on his way down, maybe just a couple points for this change. Ty Lawson (71) - Maybe up a couple points, he's shown some great things. Tim Thomas (70) - Not doing anything, could go down a little. Eric Maynor (65) - I think he's shown himself to be a pretty good backup PG already, probably higher 60's for now.
Cleveland Cavaliers
Mo Williams (78) - Mo could be an 80. Keep in mind with his assists, that he doesn't actually handle the ball as much as most PG's, since he has LeBron on the team. Delonte West (79) - I really like Delonte, really I do, but I'm not sure he's a 79. Maybe like 76? Anderson Varejao (73) - Maybe could go up 1 or 2. JJ Hickson (67) - Could go up a couple points. Darren Collison (67) - Could go up a couple points.
Dallas Mavericks
Antonio McDyess (77) - Is he still a 77? I dunno, could go down slightly. Wally Sczerbiak (74) - Should go down a bit, 3-4 points? Craig Smith (66) - Probably more like 69-70 IMO. DeAndre Jordan (66) - Could be due for an increase to around 70 also. Jodie Meeks (63) - Probably is more like a 66 for now.
Denver Nuggets
Carmelo Anthony (89) - He's really turned it on this year, finally becoming enough of an all-around player to be an elite player. His scoring is off the charts of course, as well. I wouldn't mind a 91. Yi Jianlian (68) - Guy has talent. He's on a bad team, but I don't think that's a reason to punish players...if anything it makes it harder for the good players to do well, because the opposing team can focus on them a little more. I would mind like 72-74 range. Ryan Hollins (62) - Starting lately for the TWolves IRL, has clearly shown he's got more talent than a 62. Should be up in the high 60's at least.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Feb 9, 2010 5:25:59 GMT 2
Chicago Bulls
Derrick Rose 82--------85 Luol Deng 79--------82 David Lee 79-------81 Brad Miller 76-------74 Jason Maxiell 75------72
Cleveland Cavaliers
Mo Williams 78-------81 Delonte West 79--------75 Anderson Varejao 73---------75 JJ Hickson 67-----------70 Darren Collison (67)
Dallas Mavericks
Antonio McDyess 77-------73 Erick Dampier 72-----68 Raja Bell 74-----70 DeAndre Jordan 66----69 Jodie Meeks 63-----66
Denver Nuggets
Carmelo Anthony 89-----92 Yi Jianlian 68-----71
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Post by blue on Feb 9, 2010 6:47:15 GMT 2
Chicago Bulls
Derrick Rose (82) - 84-85 Luol Deng (79) - 80-82 David Lee (79) - 84-85 Brad Miller (76) - 74-75 Jason Maxiell (75) - 72-73 Ty Lawson (71) - 73-74 Eric Maynor (65) - 67-68
Cleveland Cavaliers
Mo Williams (78) - 80-81 Shaquille O'Neal (82) - 80-81 Zydrunas Ilgauskas (78) - 76-77 Delonte West (79) - 76-77 Anderson Varejao (73) 75-76 JJ Hickson (67) 69-70 Darren Collison (67) - 69-70
Dallas Mavericks
Rodney Stuckey (79) - 80-81 Antonio McDyess (77) - 73-74 Erick Dampier (72) 69-70 Raja Bell (74) 71-72 Wally Sczerbiak (74) - 71-72 Craig Smith (66) 68-69 DeAndre Jordan (66) - 67-68 Jodie Meeks (63) - 66-67
Denver Nuggets
Carmelo Anthony (89) - 92-93 CJ Watson (71) - 72 Yi Jianlian (68) - 69-70
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Feb 9, 2010 8:25:34 GMT 2
Chicago Bulls
Derrick Rose (82) - 84 Ben Gordon (81) - Dip a couple of points? His game has gone down drastically Luol Deng (79) - 80 Kirk Hinrich (79) - 78 David Lee (79) - 84-85 Brad Miller (76) - 74 Ty Lawson (71) - 73 Great explosive PG
Cleveland Cavaliers
Daniel Gibson (71) - 73 JJ Hickson (67) - 71-72 Darren Collison (67) Steal of the draft at least a 72-73 now
Dallas Mavericks
Rodney Stuckey (79) - Awesome dude, didnt regret trading him away though. He should be an 81-82 now.
Antonio McDyess (77) - 75 DeAndre Jordan (66) - 70
Denver Nuggets
Carmelo Anthony (89) - 91 for now Nene (80) - 81-82?? JR Smith (77) -78 or 79 would be nice for him CJ Watson (71) - 73 for this guy Yi Jianlian (68) - easily a 72
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Post by Sacramento Kings on Feb 9, 2010 14:12:48 GMT 2
CHI: Rose 84-85 played really good after a slow start Luol Deng 80-81 maybe up 1 or 2 points David Lee 83 puts up good stats but as a Knicks fan I dont really like the way he gets those numbers Brad Miller 74-75 has declined a bit Jason Maxiell 72-73 nothing more than a solid role player imo Ty Lawson 74-75 showed some nice flashes Eric Maynor 67-69 solid backup pg [/color] Cleveland CavaliersMo Williams (78) - Mo could be an 80. Keep in mind with his assists, that he doesn't actually handle the ball as much as most PG's, since he has LeBron on the team. Delonte West (79) - I really like Delonte, really I do, but I'm not sure he's a 79. Maybe like 76? Anderson Varejao (73) - Maybe could go up 1 or 2. JJ Hickson (67) - Could go up a couple points. Darren Collison (67) - Could go up a couple points. [/quote] Couldnt agree more. Maybe Shaq and Z down 1 or 2 points as well. DET: Rodney Stuckey 80-81 didnt really follow Detroit but I guess he improved somewhat Antonio McDyess 74-75 good role player at this point Wally Sczerbiak 69-70 is he still in the league? Craig Smith 69-70 DeAndre Jordan 69-70 Jodie Meeks 66-67 DEN: Carmelo Anthony 91-92 elite player Yi Jianlian 72-73 played solid this year Ryan Hollins 68-69
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Feb 9, 2010 14:38:14 GMT 2
CHI:
Rose - I think he must improved from 82-84.....
Deng - Must increase by 1
Hinrich - Decrease by 1 or 2
David Lee - He must increase by 2 or 3
Ty Lawson - Being the back up PG of Billups, He is contributing well.....I think he must be a 73
CLE:
Mo Williams - must improved by 2 or 3
Hickson - from 70-72 range
DAL:
Okafor - must decrease by 1
Stuckey - Being the most impressive PG in Detroit i think he must be a 80-82 range
DEN:
Melo - He is the leading scorer of the Denver Nuggets......In this case I think he must be a 92-93 range
Nene - I think from 80, he must improved to 81-82 range.....
JR Smith - Being the sixthman of the Denver.....He contributes well....He's averaging 15.1ppg..I think from 77, he must be 78-80 range.......
CJ Watson - He must be increase by 2 or 3
Jianlian - Yi averaging 13.5 ppg and 6.70 rpg must improved from 68-74 or 75
Weems - I think Weems averaging 5.4 ppg must get an increased by 1 or 2...
Hollins - Hollins averaging 6.2 ppg must get an increased.....I think from 62 he must be 69 or 70..........
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Post by Sacramento Kings on Feb 9, 2010 18:16:42 GMT 2
DEN: Melo - He is the leading scorer of the Denver Nuggets......In this case I think he must be a 92-93 range Nene - I think from 80, he must improved to 81-82 range..... JR Smith - Being the sixthman of the Denver.....He contributes well....He's averaging 15.1ppg..I think from 77, he must be 78-80 range....... CJ Watson - He must be increase by 2 or 3 Jianlian - Yi averaging 13.5 ppg and 6.70 rpg must improved from 68-74 or 75 Weems - I think Weems averaging 5.4 ppg must get an increased by 1 or 2... Hollins - Hollins averaging 6.2 ppg must get an increased.....I think from 62 he must be 69 or 70.......... I understand that the Nuggets are your team but I think you are pushing a little bit too hard here. I mean what exactly have Nene, Smith and Watson done compared to last year that they must get a boost of 2 or 3 points?
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Feb 9, 2010 22:58:38 GMT 2
[/color] Chicago BullsDavid Lee (79) - His offensive game is truly elite at this point. His D isn't great, but if it was, he would literally be a 90, his offense is that good. So I agree, he should be about 85. Brad Miller (76) - Dude is on his way down, maybe just a couple points for this change. Ty Lawson (71) - Maybe up a couple points, he's shown some great things. Tim Thomas (70) - Not doing anything, could go down a little. Eric Maynor (65) - I think he's shown himself to be a pretty good backup PG already, probably higher 60's for now. Cleveland CavaliersMo Williams (78) - Mo could be an 80. Keep in mind with his assists, that he doesn't actually handle the ball as much as most PG's, since he has LeBron on the team. Delonte West (79) - I really like Delonte, really I do, but I'm not sure he's a 79. Maybe like 76? Anderson Varejao (73) - Maybe could go up 1 or 2. JJ Hickson (67) - Could go up a couple points. Darren Collison (67) - Could go up a couple points. Dallas MavericksAntonio McDyess (77) - Is he still a 77? I dunno, could go down slightly. Wally Sczerbiak (74) - Should go down a bit, 3-4 points? Craig Smith (66) - Probably more like 69-70 IMO. DeAndre Jordan (66) - Could be due for an increase to around 70 also. Jodie Meeks (63) - Probably is more like a 66 for now. Denver NuggetsCarmelo Anthony (89) - He's really turned it on this year, finally becoming enough of an all-around player to be an elite player. His scoring is off the charts of course, as well. I wouldn't mind a 91. Yi Jianlian (68) - Guy has talent. He's on a bad team, but I don't think that's a reason to punish players...if anything it makes it harder for the good players to do well, because the opposing team can focus on them a little more. I would mind like 72-74 range. Ryan Hollins (62) - Starting lately for the TWolves IRL, has clearly shown he's got more talent than a 62. Should be up in the high 60's at least.[/quote] I pretty much agree with everything, only one but. I don't think that Mo Williams is that good, but I guess increasing his passing and stealing would be sufficient. Also with some additions as well: * Both Ben Gordon and Kirk Hinrich should drop by points in my opinion * Another quite unorthodox pick, but I think Erick Dampier should get a slight increase. I used to think him as a scrub player with awfully overvalued contract, but right now I wouldn't even mind him being my starting center. He's actually quite similar to Kendrick Perkins, only Kendrick gets more shots (although both of them get most of their shots from the offensive rebounds) and gets to the free throw line more often. About 74 sounds good for him. * Derrick Rose has been the second best point guard in East next to Rondo. Had an awsome January with 23.1 points 6.4 assists and 4.4 rebounds, while shooting 50% from the field. Around 84ish.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Feb 9, 2010 23:07:42 GMT 2
I'd probably be ok with Ben and Kirk going down a couple points...and Dampier should at the very least keep his rating, not go down like some other people said he should.
Sac and I seem to be pretty much on the same page, most of the way anyway. I'm not sure what he doesn't like about Lee's stats though. I watch nearly every Knicks game, being a fan, as well, and I think he's put in a shit-ton of work to get to where he is. Just last year he couldn't shoot from outside really at all, or was just developing it. Now, from just inside the 3-pt line, he's a threat to make a basket by shooting over players who don't cover him, and also has the quickness and handles to drive around/by players to the hoop. And seriously, if you haven't watched him this year, please do so ASAP (this is to anyone reading this lol). His skills finishing around the basket are probably a 99, and he does it equally well with both hands.
Enough of my Lee Rant lol.
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Feb 9, 2010 23:34:53 GMT 2
Also about Nene, Watson and Smith. Well, first I love Nene's efficiency, but right now I think he could stand pat. As for Smith, he has had a worse season compared to the last one. Here's some comparison: Season | Points | FG% | 3PT% | FT% | RPG | AST | STL | PER | ORtg | DRtg | TS% | EFG% | 08-09 | 15.2 | 44.6% | 39.7% | 75.4% | 3.7 | 2.8 | 1.0 | 16.8 | 111 | 109 | 57.6% | 54.1% | 09-10 | 15.1 | 40.9% | 33,3% | 70.1% | 3.0 | 2.5 | 1.2 | 13.5 | 97 | 108 | 50,6% | 47,9% |
Some explanations: * PER is Player Efficiency rating, where 15 stands as the league average * ORtg is the Offensive Rating - amount of points scored per 100 possesions * DRtg is the Defensive Rating - amount of points scored on them per 100 possesions * TS% - True Shooting % * eFG% - effective FG% - FG%, only that takes into account that the 3 points shot is worth 1 point more As you can see, it's pretty obvious that he has been having a worse season compared to the last one, only thing better is getting steals. As for the low PER, I wouldn't think too much into it, he's got the skills, only that he is using them inefficiently. I think he should stand pat as well.
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Feb 9, 2010 23:40:13 GMT 2
Chicago Bulls
Derrick Rose (82) he should be 85 Ben Gordon (81) jes, maybe 80, but wouldnt mind stay at 81, because of hes injuries Luol Deng (79) hes aright this season, maybe 80 would be cool David Lee (79) yes, 83 at most Ty Lawson (71) hes a nice backup for Billups, and hes numbers are down thanks to that, 74 +-1 would be OK Eric Maynor (65) would say 67-68
Cleveland Cavaliers
Mo Williams (78) 79-80 maybe Delonte West (79) 75-76 would be right JJ Hickson (67) 69-71 should be ok Darren Collison (67) hes awsome when he gets the minutes 72-74
Dallas Mavericks
DeAndre Jordan (66) 69 or 70 shoulb be right
Denver Nuggets
Carmelo Anthony (89) he realy should be 91-92
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Post by Sacramento Kings on Feb 10, 2010 13:51:25 GMT 2
I'd probably be ok with Ben and Kirk going down a couple points...and Dampier should at the very least keep his rating, not go down like some other people said he should. Sac and I seem to be pretty much on the same page, most of the way anyway. I'm not sure what he doesn't like about Lee's stats though. I watch nearly every Knicks game, being a fan, as well, and I think he's put in a shit-ton of work to get to where he is. Just last year he couldn't shoot from outside really at all, or was just developing it. Now, from just inside the 3-pt line, he's a threat to make a basket by shooting over players who don't cover him, and also has the quickness and handles to drive around/by players to the hoop. And seriously, if you haven't watched him this year, please do so ASAP (this is to anyone reading this lol). His skills finishing around the basket are probably a 99, and he does it equally well with both hands. Enough of my Lee Rant lol. Oh dont get me wrong, he improved his jumper, can get to the hoop and finish there as well as any bigman in the league. But I think he is not really playing winning basketball and is looking to get his numbers way too much.
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Post by Boston Celtics on Feb 10, 2010 14:32:16 GMT 2
You're entitled to that opinion...IMO though, he's simply their best player, and they need to look to him to score even more sometimes. He usually comes out on fire in the first quarter and puts up 10 points or so, then they stop going to him and he gets maybe 10 points the entire rest of the game. Usually they become pretty stagnant at some point during those 3 quarters too, but still don't look to get David involved.
Anyway, I really don't think he's just looking out for himself or anything like that, but again, you're entitled to your opinion. Nice to meet other Knicks fans who are actual fans and stuck through all the Isiah shit.
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Post by Sacramento Kings on Feb 10, 2010 22:14:13 GMT 2
I dont really want to bash him because oh his scoring as he is not really taking bad shots, shooting a great % and he also has to play with knuckelheads like Harrington, Hughes or Nate so I guess he has to look for his shots sometimes. But a couple of things I noticed are that:
1. He doesnt box out opposing bigman at all and tries to get every rebound himself in order to get his rebound stats
2. He is still an awful defender. And I'm not talking about being overpowered by bigger and stronger bigman but him not even trying
3. He is considered a good passer but it seems to me that he is only passing the ball if he has no chance to score or can get himself an assist
Anyways enough of the Lee/Knicks discussion, I see him at 83 and if the majority thinks he is better than that then thats fine.
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Feb 13, 2010 0:27:04 GMT 2
Well, here's the summary of February 9th:
Chicago Bulls
David Lee (79) - (83) Ben Gordon (81) - (79) Luol Deng (79) - (81) Kirk Hinrich (79) - (78) Derrick Rose (82) - (85) Brad Miller (76) - (74) Jason Maxiell (75) - (73) Ty Lawson (71) - (73) Eric Maynor (65) - (67)
Cleveland Cavaliers
Mo Williams (78) - (80) Shaquille O'neal (82) - (80) Zydrunas Ilgauskas (78) - (76) Delonte West (79) - (76) Anderson Varejao (73) - (75) JJ Hickson (67) - (70) Darren Collison (67) - (71)
Dallas Mavericks
Rodney Stuckey (79) - (80) Antonio McDyess (77) - (74) Raja Bell (74) - (72) Wally Szczerbiak (74) - (70) Craig Smith (66) - (70) DeAndre Jordan (66) - (69) Jodie Meeks (63) - (66)
Denver Nuggets
Carmelo Anthony (89) - (91) Nene Hilario (80) - (81) CJ Watson (71) - (72) Yi Jianlian (68) - (72) Sonny Weems (65) - (68) Ryan Hollins (62) - (68)
Any objections?
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Feb 13, 2010 0:40:35 GMT 2
Sir woah...What about Jianlian he is averaging 13.2 ppg.....and he is only 72?? ..while Varejao averaging 8.4 ppg is a 75...Oh that's not fair I think Jianlian must be a 75 or above sir.......
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Feb 13, 2010 1:05:43 GMT 2
Points aren't everything. As much I like Yi and dislike Varejao, I think Varejao is by far superior player. * Varejao has been one of the best defenders in the league, while Yi is a defensive liability. * Yi is a blackhole on offense. His AST% can only compared to the great Yinka Dare, who had 4 assists in his entire career. Yi isn't that bad, but still. Varejao isn't that much better, but his Usage % is only half compared Yi. (An estimate of 21% the time Yi is on the floor, he ends up with the possesion, Varejao has 13%. To compare, Duncan has 26%). * TS% and eFG% comparisons: Varejao 58,1% and 55,3%, Yi 49% and 42,1%. Regular FG% isn't better either: 55,1% and 40,7%. * Varejao is much better rebounder.
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Feb 13, 2010 1:12:32 GMT 2
Ok fine.....If you don't want that's ok
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Post by Boston Celtics on Feb 13, 2010 3:23:53 GMT 2
I agree with Minny on this, for now. Yi has some work to do.
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Post by Sacramento Kings on Feb 13, 2010 8:35:29 GMT 2
Looks fair enough overall
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